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		<title>Comment on Perhaps they are listening. by Al Alborn</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffersonconservatives.com/2010/05/29/perhaps-they-are-listening/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Alborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 13:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rez,

Thank you for your comments.  Connolly is on my “throw the bums out” list.  I will be looking for candidates interested in fiscal constraint while avoiding divisive social issues.  I respect everyone’s personal beliefs on those “divisive social issues”; however, I am uncomfortable when I see attempts to transform religious beliefs or personal decisions into public policy.  There are a lot of people like me.  People interested in actually winning elections should pay attention to the Independent voter who is disenchanted with political theology.

Your observations about the Coffee Party are (IMHO) correct.  I was one of the first to join the Coffee Party.  I was attracted by the vision of a neutral place where Independent voters might gather to discuss all sides of the issues.  From the beginning, I suggested that perhaps the “Coffee Party” might not be the best choice of names because it implies the opposite of “tea” (or the “Tea Party”).  My protests were ignored and the name resulted in a self-fulfilling prophecy of a group of Liberals and Progressives gathering together to promote and protect the Obama administration and agenda.

While coffee was the advertised beverage, I quickly discovered that you were also expected to drink the &quot;Progressive kool aid&quot; (and I stayed away from the pitcher).  All you have to do is take a look at its website forum to understand that its membership favors big Government, high taxes (particularly as a tool for wealth redistribution), corporate nationalization, and a Progressive (IMHO Socialist) agenda.

My personal experience is that Progressives are very interested in telling people what to think, read, and do.  This extrapolates into their vision of Government&#039;s role in our Society.  The world has plenty of experience with elitist political theorists deciding what&#039;s best for &quot;the rest of us&quot;.  I plan to work hard to prevent that from being the fate of the United States of America.

jeffersonconservative.com was started as a place to explore issues from a neutral perspective and share information for folks who prefer to &quot;mix their own kool aid&quot;.  Time will tell if we succeed.  I hope to see you at Starbucks one of these days…  I’d love to chat.  You might consider posting your thoughts here occasionally to help enrich the dialog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rez,</p>
<p>Thank you for your comments.  Connolly is on my “throw the bums out” list.  I will be looking for candidates interested in fiscal constraint while avoiding divisive social issues.  I respect everyone’s personal beliefs on those “divisive social issues”; however, I am uncomfortable when I see attempts to transform religious beliefs or personal decisions into public policy.  There are a lot of people like me.  People interested in actually winning elections should pay attention to the Independent voter who is disenchanted with political theology.</p>
<p>Your observations about the Coffee Party are (IMHO) correct.  I was one of the first to join the Coffee Party.  I was attracted by the vision of a neutral place where Independent voters might gather to discuss all sides of the issues.  From the beginning, I suggested that perhaps the “Coffee Party” might not be the best choice of names because it implies the opposite of “tea” (or the “Tea Party”).  My protests were ignored and the name resulted in a self-fulfilling prophecy of a group of Liberals and Progressives gathering together to promote and protect the Obama administration and agenda.</p>
<p>While coffee was the advertised beverage, I quickly discovered that you were also expected to drink the &#8220;Progressive kool aid&#8221; (and I stayed away from the pitcher).  All you have to do is take a look at its website forum to understand that its membership favors big Government, high taxes (particularly as a tool for wealth redistribution), corporate nationalization, and a Progressive (IMHO Socialist) agenda.</p>
<p>My personal experience is that Progressives are very interested in telling people what to think, read, and do.  This extrapolates into their vision of Government&#8217;s role in our Society.  The world has plenty of experience with elitist political theorists deciding what&#8217;s best for &#8220;the rest of us&#8221;.  I plan to work hard to prevent that from being the fate of the United States of America.</p>
<p>jeffersonconservative.com was started as a place to explore issues from a neutral perspective and share information for folks who prefer to &#8220;mix their own kool aid&#8221;.  Time will tell if we succeed.  I hope to see you at Starbucks one of these days…  I’d love to chat.  You might consider posting your thoughts here occasionally to help enrich the dialog.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Micro Loans – Free Market capitalism helping one family at a time. by Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffersonconservatives.com/2010/05/16/micro-loans-%e2%80%93-free-market-capitalism-helping-one-family-at-a-time/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 10:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And one of my kiva loans made a payment today...  Juntos Trabajando Group in Peru (Activity: Fuel/Firewood)  Newly Repaid: $5.00 Total Repaid So Far: $5.00</description>
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		<title>Comment on U.S. Attempts To Block Constitutional Challenge to States&#039; Challenge of Health Care Reform Law by Al Alborn</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffersonconservatives.com/2010/05/25/u-s-attempts-to-block-constitutional-challenge-to-states-challenge-of-health-care-reform-law/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Alborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 20:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This will be an interesting test of the Government&#039;s power to tell its citizens what they must do (specifically, ordering them to &quot;buy&quot; something).  (As I mentioned in an earlier post) AT Cuccinelli (IMHO) has a good case based on a reasonably sound constitutional argument.  The United States Government has never passed a law compelling citizens to “buy something”. If this section of the Health Care survives the many Constitutional challenges raised across the Country, the Federal Government will have a broad new power with which to compel certain behavior among Americans. That’s a “chilling thought” for a Libertarian… or any American.

Since the Health Care Bill lacks  the usual severability clause (or a statement that should any part of the act be found Unconstitutional, it would be severed from the legislation and the rest of the act would remain in effect), should the Supreme Court find the requirement that everyone buy Health Insurance Unconstitutional the entire Health Care Reform Act may be in peril.

I voted for Obama because of his promise of brokering a bipartisan health care plan using a transparent process.  He didn&#039;t fulfill that promise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will be an interesting test of the Government&#8217;s power to tell its citizens what they must do (specifically, ordering them to &#8220;buy&#8221; something).  (As I mentioned in an earlier post) AT Cuccinelli (IMHO) has a good case based on a reasonably sound constitutional argument.  The United States Government has never passed a law compelling citizens to “buy something”. If this section of the Health Care survives the many Constitutional challenges raised across the Country, the Federal Government will have a broad new power with which to compel certain behavior among Americans. That’s a “chilling thought” for a Libertarian… or any American.</p>
<p>Since the Health Care Bill lacks  the usual severability clause (or a statement that should any part of the act be found Unconstitutional, it would be severed from the legislation and the rest of the act would remain in effect), should the Supreme Court find the requirement that everyone buy Health Insurance Unconstitutional the entire Health Care Reform Act may be in peril.</p>
<p>I voted for Obama because of his promise of brokering a bipartisan health care plan using a transparent process.  He didn&#8217;t fulfill that promise.</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#039;s time to pay attention to Korea&#8230; by AAlborn</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffersonconservatives.com/2010/05/20/watch-this-space/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>AAlborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 13:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Japanese prime minister accepts Marine Corps air base in Okinawa  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/23/AR2010052301712.html?hpid=topnews  China isn&#039;t continuing to refine the technology, tactics, and size of its military as a commitment to free markets.  Since America is a bit preoccupied at the moment and our &quot;war machine&quot; is in disrepair, now would be a good time to make a move.  Watch this space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Japanese prime minister accepts Marine Corps air base in Okinawa  <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/23/AR2010052301712.html?hpid=topnews" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/23/AR2010052301712.html?hpid=topnews</a>  China isn&#8217;t continuing to refine the technology, tactics, and size of its military as a commitment to free markets.  Since America is a bit preoccupied at the moment and our &#8220;war machine&#8221; is in disrepair, now would be a good time to make a move.  Watch this space.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is It Time for a New Center-Right Party? by Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffersonconservatives.com/2010/05/11/is-it-time-for-a-new-center-right-party/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 19:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A third party--hmmmm.  Well it&#039;s probably a good idea as long as the Republican Party is willing to lose a lot of elections.  We have at least 5 parties now that have had influence in this country--Democratic Party (1792 historic, 1828 modern), Republican Party (1854),Constitution Party (1992),Green Party (1996)and the Libertarian Party (1971).  And there are a couple of dozen other parties that run or back congressional candidates but are not strong enough to stand up someone for president.  This is not to mention the almost uncountable number regional parties that pander to fringe groups.

For whatever reason (our early British heritage I suspect) we have pretty much stuck to two parties.  This was not evident early on--in their attempt to develop the ideal system, our founding fathers thought it was enough to have a democratic republic, but it didn&#039;t take long for them to figure out that people had some pretty strongly held views.

If you look around and see what happens in countries that have three or more strong parties,you can imagine something like what has just happened in Britain.  No one has enough strength to do anything.  The legislature becomes balkanized and coalitions must be sought in order to conduct business.

Hmmm--on second thought, maybe we should try it because what we have isn&#039;t working well.  But you know what, it&#039;s better than anything else around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A third party&#8211;hmmmm.  Well it&#8217;s probably a good idea as long as the Republican Party is willing to lose a lot of elections.  We have at least 5 parties now that have had influence in this country&#8211;Democratic Party (1792 historic, 1828 modern), Republican Party (1854),Constitution Party (1992),Green Party (1996)and the Libertarian Party (1971).  And there are a couple of dozen other parties that run or back congressional candidates but are not strong enough to stand up someone for president.  This is not to mention the almost uncountable number regional parties that pander to fringe groups.</p>
<p>For whatever reason (our early British heritage I suspect) we have pretty much stuck to two parties.  This was not evident early on&#8211;in their attempt to develop the ideal system, our founding fathers thought it was enough to have a democratic republic, but it didn&#8217;t take long for them to figure out that people had some pretty strongly held views.</p>
<p>If you look around and see what happens in countries that have three or more strong parties,you can imagine something like what has just happened in Britain.  No one has enough strength to do anything.  The legislature becomes balkanized and coalitions must be sought in order to conduct business.</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8211;on second thought, maybe we should try it because what we have isn&#8217;t working well.  But you know what, it&#8217;s better than anything else around.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is It Time for a New Center-Right Party? by Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffersonconservatives.com/2010/05/11/is-it-time-for-a-new-center-right-party/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 18:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it has to be something other than an effort to bash either side.  How to express a fiscally conservative/socially liberal philosophy will be the killer.  This concept has one main problem I think--if you are socially liberal then you have to be willing to care for your fellow human being and that  may mean huge outlays when times are difficult. For many folks--the elderly, the uneducated or those whose skills are out of balance with the times and the disabled, individual liberty just won&#039;t cut it.  These difficult times make some wealth redistribution a necessity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it has to be something other than an effort to bash either side.  How to express a fiscally conservative/socially liberal philosophy will be the killer.  This concept has one main problem I think&#8211;if you are socially liberal then you have to be willing to care for your fellow human being and that  may mean huge outlays when times are difficult. For many folks&#8211;the elderly, the uneducated or those whose skills are out of balance with the times and the disabled, individual liberty just won&#8217;t cut it.  These difficult times make some wealth redistribution a necessity.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Micro Loans – Free Market capitalism helping one family at a time. by AAlborn</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffersonconservatives.com/2010/05/16/micro-loans-%e2%80%93-free-market-capitalism-helping-one-family-at-a-time/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>AAlborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 03:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And one of my kiva loans made a payment today...  Juntos Trabajando Group in Peru (Activity: Fuel/Firewood)  Newly Repaid: $5.00 Total Repaid So Far: $5.00</description>
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		<title>Comment on Micro Loans – Free Market capitalism helping one family at a time. by AAlborn</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffersonconservatives.com/2010/05/16/micro-loans-%e2%80%93-free-market-capitalism-helping-one-family-at-a-time/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>AAlborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 21:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is some more information about Kiva for those interested:

http://www.slate.com/id/2161797/pagenum/1/

http://www.appappeal.com/app/kiva/

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_31/b3995088.htm

http://www.mymoneyblog.com/archives/2007/05/kiva-giving-a-virtual-hand-up-not-a-handout.html

http://www.reviewstream.com/reviews/?p=67966

If you haven&#039;t made your micro loan yet, suggest you pull out your credit card and do it now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is some more information about Kiva for those interested:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2161797/pagenum/1/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2161797/pagenum/1/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.appappeal.com/app/kiva/" rel="nofollow">http://www.appappeal.com/app/kiva/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_31/b3995088.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_31/b3995088.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.mymoneyblog.com/archives/2007/05/kiva-giving-a-virtual-hand-up-not-a-handout.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mymoneyblog.com/archives/2007/05/kiva-giving-a-virtual-hand-up-not-a-handout.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.reviewstream.com/reviews/?p=67966" rel="nofollow">http://www.reviewstream.com/reviews/?p=67966</a></p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t made your micro loan yet, suggest you pull out your credit card and do it now!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Micro Loans – Free Market capitalism helping one family at a time. by George S. Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffersonconservatives.com/2010/05/16/micro-loans-%e2%80%93-free-market-capitalism-helping-one-family-at-a-time/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>George S. Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 15:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are also other organizations that have similar missions.  You can find them here:

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?keyword_list=Kiva&amp;Submit2=GO&amp;bay=search.results</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are also other organizations that have similar missions.  You can find them here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?keyword_list=Kiva&amp;Submit2=GO&amp;bay=search.results" rel="nofollow">http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?keyword_list=Kiva&amp;Submit2=GO&amp;bay=search.results</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Arizona &#8211; If You Do Nothing Then &#039;We The People&#039; Have The Right To Do Something by George S. Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffersonconservatives.com/2010/05/15/arizona-if-you-do-nothing-then-we-the-people-have-the-right-to-do-something/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>George S. Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 16:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a very interesting post Bill and I thought the stats were good.  I do have some questions--what would give the police cause to suspect one of being a non-U.S. citizen?  I suppose if a person could not produce a valid driver&#039;s license or a Green Card would be a good start.  But what about a U.S. citizen, born and raised here?  Must they carry a birth certificate around?  Or perhaps we are beginning to consider some form of national ID card.  How does one secure the border?  Our border with Mexico is 1,951 miles.  The Berlin Wall was 7.5 miles long and 12 feet high.  It was part of a 100+ mile fortified line with a defined kill zone, yet it didn&#039;t stop East Germans from escaping.  Of course not by the thousands etc.  If we presume a 7 foot arm spread for the average man, then it would take something like 1,417,611 men standing 7 feet apart to cover the entire border.  Or if we built a fence, it would probably have to extend at least 50 feet underground given the penchant of folks to tunnel under the border.  And then perhaps there should be a 50 foot mined kill zone.  But you know what?  It still won&#039;t stop folks.  They will come.  So we need to fix the immigration procedure plus we perhaps need to try and help Mexico provide a more meaningful life for their people so they will want to stay home.  Mexico is our second largest trading partner yet a sizeable amount of their population (40%) lives on $2 a day while some 18% live on $1 a day or less.  USAID assistance in 2008 was roughly
$24B with another $24B in remittances.  Where is that money going?

I surely don&#039;t have the answer but I know that &quot;securing the border&quot;, whatever that means, probably isn&#039;t the answer.  So  perhaps we are going to see the Balkanization of immigration control or perhaps even a war with either Mexico or among ourselves.  Maybe our Grand Experiment is going to fall apart over the very thing that got this nation started--immigration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a very interesting post Bill and I thought the stats were good.  I do have some questions&#8211;what would give the police cause to suspect one of being a non-U.S. citizen?  I suppose if a person could not produce a valid driver&#8217;s license or a Green Card would be a good start.  But what about a U.S. citizen, born and raised here?  Must they carry a birth certificate around?  Or perhaps we are beginning to consider some form of national ID card.  How does one secure the border?  Our border with Mexico is 1,951 miles.  The Berlin Wall was 7.5 miles long and 12 feet high.  It was part of a 100+ mile fortified line with a defined kill zone, yet it didn&#8217;t stop East Germans from escaping.  Of course not by the thousands etc.  If we presume a 7 foot arm spread for the average man, then it would take something like 1,417,611 men standing 7 feet apart to cover the entire border.  Or if we built a fence, it would probably have to extend at least 50 feet underground given the penchant of folks to tunnel under the border.  And then perhaps there should be a 50 foot mined kill zone.  But you know what?  It still won&#8217;t stop folks.  They will come.  So we need to fix the immigration procedure plus we perhaps need to try and help Mexico provide a more meaningful life for their people so they will want to stay home.  Mexico is our second largest trading partner yet a sizeable amount of their population (40%) lives on $2 a day while some 18% live on $1 a day or less.  USAID assistance in 2008 was roughly<br />
$24B with another $24B in remittances.  Where is that money going?</p>
<p>I surely don&#8217;t have the answer but I know that &#8220;securing the border&#8221;, whatever that means, probably isn&#8217;t the answer.  So  perhaps we are going to see the Balkanization of immigration control or perhaps even a war with either Mexico or among ourselves.  Maybe our Grand Experiment is going to fall apart over the very thing that got this nation started&#8211;immigration.</p>
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